DH bike suggestions

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DH bike suggestions

Hey

I've got a trail bike now, and it's been good for Skull, Wrandees, Whopper, and Evil Birch.  But now I'm looking to get into DH.  I'm new to NS so I'm unfamiliar with the local tracks and conditions.  What sort of bike do people recommend for light DH?  Without much options for lifts/shuttles, do you end up pedalling (or pushing) a whole lot?  Does that warrant a burly build of an AM frame, or does the terrain call for a FR/DH bike?

 

Thanks, Pete

Hey Pete,

There is a good - a bit small DH scene in Nova Scotia - most places are either truck shuttles, or hike-a-bike up. That saying you could ride a smaller bike with a wide gear range up to the top.

On the trails I ride, every one of the regulars are on full on DH bikes this year. That means duel crown forks, 7+ inches rear travel, duel ply tires and tight gear ratios. The big bikes just work better for where we ride.

You can get away with a smaller bike but generally you'll be slower and get beat up more often + expect more flats. I tried the "all mountain" or free ride bike thing for DH and I'm done with it. A full on bike is just that much better.

Also...
There is a DH race in The Valley this weekend. The track is a ton of fun and not to intimidating for new riders. Good high speed section at the top, fun rocky action in the middle and the bottom is good flowy trail. Easy to ride slow, tricky at high speed. You should come out and do some runs! Will be a great opportunity for you to get to know a few of the riders in the local scene too!

Even if you don't want to race come out of for shuttles on Saturday and just have some fun. See how you feel on your bike and decide for your self if your going to want some thing with more beef,

(Do bring DH tires for sure if you have them, or expect to need lots of tubes!)

More info:
http://avmba.blogspot.com/2011/09/woodville-dh-race-sept-24-25th.html

Hey

There are a few options around, keppoch is running shuttles most weekends this season and there are a few hike a bike trails around too.

I think the bike style depends on your riding style/ability.

Personally I think more of a mini-dh bike would be better suited to most of the trails around here, something like a V10 or M9 is overkill and will feel like a loaf of bread.

As you've probably realized there isn't much in the way of hills here, so the courses tend to be a bit more pedaly and you just don't get relentlessly steep super rough trails.

For me the following would be key:
- Dual crown fork (I like that the thing points where you say)
- 6-8" travel, geo is more important IMO
- Agile geo, not retardedly slack, shortish wheel base, shortish chain stays, something you can pop easily and throw around tight courses.
- Should be pedal friendly, not so much to climb with, but if you want to go fast, you'll be pedaling a lot.

I'd steer away from a burly AM build and look for something along the lines of TR250, Jedi, SS2, 951 etc. Although I do think a burly AM bike would be fun as to ride on some of the trails around! (not as an only DH bike though)

Tire wise I prefer not to run full dual ply DH tires, rolling resistance (or lack thereof) is as important as traction IMO. I run conti rubber queens (black chilli) and they are pretty awesome, I've not run into a situation around here where I thought they were "out gunned", bromont they were a little out of their league though lol.

But yeah, alot of it depends on your preference, how hard you ride or intend to ride, and if you plan on traveling out of province to hit hills with more altitude etc.

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I've got a TR250, it's Transition's mini DH bike so pretty slack but not as long as the TR450 and 'only' 6-7" travel. It's pretty adjustable too. I put a wide-range cassette and 34 tooth chain ring on it so I could ride it even when the trail is not going downhill. That seemed to work out pretty well (though a dropper seatpost would be killer) although while in BC I bought a 38 tooth ring as the 34 is really too small for steeps. It's a great bike so I can definitely recommend that as an option (even though I've only had it for a couple of months and didn't get a lot of NS riding on it this season).

PepperJester wrote:

There is a DH race in The Valley this weekend...

Unfortunately I broke my arm while at Whistler 2 weeks ago so I won't be there Ryan. Very frustrating as that was after 2.5 days of riding out of a planned 10. So much for my epic BC trip before I leave Canada, the North Shore remains on my to-do list :-/

Thanks for all your tips. Its encouraging to know what to expect.

I've had the TR250 on my radar. I like the mini-DH option, as something that can tackle most everything, with the emphasis on good fun. I wouldn't mind something that I could start off on with a single-crown, and then fit with a dual if my skills were to ever catch up.

I'm looking at the 250 or Blindside, Delirium, SC Bullit, Entourage, SS2, Spec SX, and Reign SX1. I'm just over 6'3" though, and the Transitions look to fit on the small side. Boutique prices also pretty much rules out the Knolly or Intense, though I am in love with both. Then again, apart from a Reign X, I haven't been able to find anything locally.

And so I'm fishing on pinkbike, waiting for the stars and my bank account to align, whether it be for FR, mini-DH or full-on DH.

FWIW I bought both my bike and my wifes bike used from the US via pinkbike, you can get some smoking deals!

Put it this way I got my canfield lucky and my wifes intense ss (bought parts and frames) for what most people pay for an average new xc bike around here. :)

So would not hesitate to by used on pb, you do however need to do your due diligence and don't send some random dude money for something that sounds too good to be true.

Best thing you can have going for you is patience, you have all winter to get a bike sorted!

Sucks about the broken arm graeme, bad break (ahem, good story?? :P )? recon you'll good to hit keppoch before the snow flies?

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Sucks about the broken arm graeme, bad break (ahem, good story?? :P )? recon you'll good to hit keppoch before the snow flies?

'fraid not Eric. I'm moving to the UK in the next couple of weeks and although the elbow is healing rapidly, it's not up to riding yet. I was hoping to get round all the local trails again but will have to leave it until next time (whenever that may be).

Pete, wrt to Transition sizing, I'm ~6' and ride the medium. I should also mention that over the last couple of years I've raced DH on my '05 Reign (which is definitely not like the current X's). I had to replace all the pivots and get the suspension seen too regularly but had a blast. So don't wait until you have a big bike, get your trail bike down to the Valley and gas it!

So I've had my eyes peeled. My search has now mostly focused on Konas, because of price and value for a first DH bike. I'm hoping to grab last year's Operator FR or maybe one of the older Stinkys. A chance to grab a 2011 Stinky TL has come up. It's a very basic, single crown 6" FR bike... 13.7" BB, 17.3" CS, 66 degree HTA. Any thoughts?

PS. I think the TL is just a rebrand of the Stinky Six. Also, it's got a 135mm rear end.

Whats your budget?

If it were me I'd go for something a bit more high end, esp if you already ride its not really a question of if you will enjoy it, but how long will it take to outgrow a more basic bike. The operators look like a great bike, but I'd not look at stinkies as a dh only bike, they are more FR bikes, ie geo a bit more like an am bike.

Stinky six, just don't go there lol.

Basically if you keep it 150 rear 83mm bb you'll be on the right track :) (its not something you find on anything other than dh intended frames)

Definitely on a tight budget, but it really comes down to not knowing how often I will actually get to go out and ride DH. With no car at the moment, I can't spend 3K on a bike to only use it a few times a year. So I'm leaning towards a used entry-level bike, and save $$ to get a car. Then I can ride the hell out of it, and upgrade as I go.

What size bike are you looking for? I know where you can get a great deal on a well specced out Foes Fly.

PM me for details :)

just a suggestion - check the sugarloaf bike park. they will be selling all their 2010 stock...

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http://www.sugarloafpark.ca/bikepark/node/102

Not a bad price. Do they have other models that might be going up for sale?

Thanks, I had been watching the rental fleet at Sugarloaf, but, again, didn't know how good of a choice the Six would be. Was really hoping they would be selling their Park Operators, but they never got back to me on that.

If anyone has a large/XL frame or complete bike they are looking to get rid of, please let me know!

If you're serious about riding dh, don't even consider the six...

OK, pass on the Six. And thank you everyone for your suggestions. They are much appreciated.

FYI, if anyone else is in the market...Sugarloaf got back to me RE rental sales. Here's what they have to offer this season:

Operator GA $2199 + tax = $2,484.87 (Medium only)
Stinky GA $1499 + tax = $1,693.87 (15”,17”,18”,19”)
Stinky Six $799 + tax = $903.99 (15”,17”, maybe 18”)

The Operator and Stinky 'GA' are 2011. I think the 'GA' is the same as a 2011 Stinky TL, which in turn is a Six. Not sure what kind of kit the Garbanzo Park Operator (or whatever its called) has, but the photo shows some Saint(?).

-P